Seriously, if I hear another designer office fucktard complain about the people who pay their bills, the CLIENTS... actually make the products they sell at insane markups to clients ugh, I'm going to herniate. They run a frigging business design and or build tangible things day in and day out and you expect that you can just swoop in and tell them their business model is wrong to make the logo bigger or that despite everything discussed for eight months and built for two that the entire color scheme needs to change for the project launch in 48 hours? I bet none of you designers office fucktards had even a basic accounting art class at art business school - how can you possibly understand even the most fundamental parts of a business plan a design? (Note: I am a designer fucktard but with business fucktard schooling as well, so don't make it a you vs. me fucktard argument.)